9pm till 4am argument who was the G.O.A.T (boxing)

[drunken jesus]

With speed does come power wtf are you talking about? Yeah i know the mechanics behind a punch. I use to box too. lol Fuck no Jones would've never rocked Ali period it would've been a good fight but ali would of won hands down...

your on ali's dick heavy roy jones in his prime was a monster with unprecedented speed and agility, ali only looked like he was fast against big slow heavyweights against other similar heavyweights he didn't look much faster at all

and speed has very little to do with power i dunno why you keep bringing that up, its basically 2 different sets of muscles that go into speed and power, if speed = power pitchers would also be home run hitters, when throwing punches some speed is necessary but just because someone hits faster doesn't mean they hit harder watch any catch-weight fight or small heavyweight vs big heavyweight fight you'll notice the bigger slower guys nearly always hit harder than the smaller ones

[Yomommaspimp]

Hey just because your riding your Roy's dick doesn't mean i'm riding Ali's dick...so let's get the gay comments out of the way xD!!

=| no shit Sherlocke's home boy...of course the bigger guy is going to punch harder ...He's heavier...and once again...speed does have a lot to do with power...if a fast punch doesn't hurt... its the opponent moving away from the punch...how are you going to compare a pussy ass sport like baseball to boxing? seriously? that's like comparing a jetta to a damn Lambo... If the motherfucker is good at pitching the mother fucker is good at pitching...if the mother can't hit home runs than obviously he sucks batting...I suck with my left hook...Every thing else im fuckin stellar....whats your point?

[drunken jesus]

Hey just because your riding your Roy's dick doesn't mean i'm riding Ali's dick...so let's get the gay comments out of the way xD!!

=| no shit Sherlocke's home boy...of course the bigger guy is going to punch harder ...He's heavier...and once again...speed does have a lot to do with power...if a fast punch doesn't hurt... its the opponent moving away from the punch...how are you going to compare a pussy ass sport like baseball to boxing? seriously? that's like comparing a jetta to a damn Lambo... If the motherfucker is good at pitching the mother fucker is good at pitching...if the mother can't hit home runs than obviously he sucks batting...I suck with my left hook...Every thing else im fuckin stellar....whats your point?

my point is basic anatomy power and speed are two different muscle groups, with some shared, baseball is a completely different sport but the mechanics don't change a pitcher could probably swing the bat faster but hes not going to hit the ball as far

anybody can throw a really fast punch few can throw a fast punch with power, your telling me you never seen a fight where a slower dude obliterates a faster dude cause he hits harder? i used the big vs small analogys because the power difference is more clear but theirs thousands of bums who throw fast punchs but don't land hard shots, i dunno why you keep bringing up its because the opponent dodged because we're obviously talking about clean shots, i mean by your logic a jab would land harder than a hook simply because its faster, lmao

a good example of a fast fighter that doesn't hit hard is mayweather, hes one hell of a technical genius when it comes to boxing but in most fights hes outmatched in power

[Haz]

Lmao @ Jab .Vs. Hook...

Again,

Speed Doesn't Come With Power
Don't Use That "Dodging" Theory Either.
Cause It's Not Going To Work Out How U Want It 2.
There a People Who Throw The Quickest Hands
But Don't Connect With As Much Force As They Should

[Yomommaspimp]

Bigger guys are heavier...So they will hit harder period...whoever throws it "faster" will obviously hit harder...Every thing is put into the punch. ie... Weight, speed, leverage, yadda yadda...Speed is a big factor in a punch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfnGkV6qmTw

obviously, he not only used his weight through kinetic linking he also used his speed. SO your telling me speed isn't important...get real...if your going to say stupid shit like oh well the other guys used speed...obviously they took other martial arts and really didn't use the mechanics behind a "boxing punch"...

"Speed Doesn't Come With Power
Don't Use That "Dodging" Theory Either.
Cause It's Not Going To Work Out How U Want It 2.
There a People Who Throw The Quickest Hands
But Don't Connect With As Much Force As They Should"

Mayweather weighs what...10 pounds...the lighter you are the less hard your punch is going to be period...And yes I am going to use the "dodging" Theory...have a friend punch you in the chest...then tell him to do it again and angle when he's about to land...tell me the difference...

[drunken jesus]

Mayweather weighs what...10 pounds...the lighter you are the less hard your punch is going to be period...And yes I am going to use the "dodging" Theory...have a friend punch you in the chest...then tell him to do it again and angle when he's about to land...tell me the difference...

i dunno why you keep bringing up its because the opponent dodged because we're obviously talking about clean shots, i mean by your logic a jab would land harder than a hook simply because its faster, lmao

and i'm talking about mayweather in comparison to other boxers in his weight class(es), not in comparison to heavyweights

i dunno how you can have boxed and think that speed = power, nobody said velocity isn't a factor in how hard someone hits what we've all said is fast punching don't mean shit if theirs no power behind a punch & they're not directly linked

bob has better form bob has a better physique bob has average handspeed

bill has average form bill has an average physique(weighs the same) bill has superb handspeed

who hits harder?

[Haz]

Lmao @ People Who Weigh More Punch Harder...


WOOOOW!!!...

You Haven't Heard About Built Triceps Have You?

[Brah-Vo]

i say we get a time machine.

[Cee4]

Tyson in his prime = KO

and speed does not = power
a lot of boxers have all the speed in the world but basically just slap their opponents

[Yomommaspimp]

apparently you didn't click on the link...Obviously the Taekwondo guy was in way better shape than the boxing guy (your retarded comment about built triceps get knocked out of the park)...The boxing guy was heavier...had good triceps (which is a small muscle compared to what muscles are actually used in a punch...)he was fast used his weight and hit harder than the taekwondo guy... speed doesn't equal power is saying speed doesn't do shit when it comes to power...so yes you are saying speed is not part of power...boxers work on speed for reason...not just to dance around in the ring and dodge...lol who was your trainer...seriously...i can't believe you guys who "supposedly boxed" are saying speed doesn't equal power... when in fact its part of process of producing a heavy hit...

[drunken jesus]

the video you posted actually disproved what you said lmao

it was showing which techniques were the most effective, most of the strikes were faster than the boxing punch but weren't as powerful

you sir are a complete moron & can't understand logic we've all said speed doesn't = power, speed is a part of power which we've all said, boxers don't train for speed so they hit harder they train for speed so they can hit more and dodge better, take a science class in a community college or something doofus

[Haz]

Lmao SONNED!!...

[Yomommaspimp]

Ive been saying that you damn ghetto rat...i've been saying "Speed is a major part of power" since this little debate started...and your dumb ass being from some back alley somewhere said otherwise...

The video never disapproved what i have been saying...I said speed is a major part of power... the boxer hit harder because his technique was great and his speed was great...He can have all the fuckin technique he wants if he does not have the speed to push that punch out...It's not goanna do shit...

Boxers train on their punches not just on their overall ring skills. Punches are practiced daily. Thus making not only the technique perfect but making the speed of the punch that much faster...which means he'll be hitting a lot harder with increased speed and better technique...<----which comes from daily practice...

You've never boxed before...

You sir are a fuckin rock...i don't blame you..i blame your state educational system...Go play in traffic or castrate yourself. Last thing we need is you and some poor girl breeding little morons i have to pay taxes for...

Anyway... This is the last time...i'll be posting on this... well maybe...

[Haz]

No.
You Said Speed Comes With Power lmao
Don't Front.

[drunken jesus]

lmao @ this assclown, i would beat you till your head popped out like a rock em sock em robot

you said speed = power now you saying speed is a major part of power which is almost what everybody else but you has been saying your opinion has changed from the first incident of idiocy to the last post, game over