9pm till 4am argument who was the G.O.A.T (boxing)

[Yomommaspimp]

Check this shit out...

So we were discussing boxing instead of football(Gayest sport in the world)
or baseball (another gay ass sport and yes it is in a tie with football)

(destroy Wrigley field and end the gayness replace it with something useful)

So the question arose.... of course I sparked it

Ali in his Prime Vs Tyson in his prime...

like 5 guys went with Ali I was one of em... the rest went with Tyson

Ok first of let me just say Tyson has never boxed anyone fuckin worth remembering minus lenox <--(the only big boy he has ever boxed and of course lost)

Ali...Ok first off the motherfucker is fast...people say he wasn't a heavy hitter...Ok first off he was fast...I put it this way...If s car is hitting 100 mph hits the fuckin NOS and rams you at mach fuckin jesus it's going to fuckin hurt...with speed comes power right? if you say no your fuckin stupid..

Tyson yeah ok he was a heavy hitter yeah i will give him that but if you ever watch him fight he was more of a ape swinging boxer hands down... he just ran and up and swung...and well...knocked out the dudes he was boxing...ok wow...he boxed against a bunch of nobodies...until he met Lenox and got his ass rocked...

Ali yeah he lost some fights ok...those were against somebodies...and he of course got his back a couple months later...

Tyson honestly in my eyes would of never stood a fuckin chance against Ali...first off the motherfucker (Tyson) is a fuckin oompa loompa...Ali is the fuckin jolly green giant...Tyson's reach no comment...Ali's Reach can you say "Across the ring"...Tyson could swing all he wants Ali would've dodged them shits and would of hit his up.

Tyson had a mean fuckin left hook had some mean fuckin power packing punches. I will give his ass that...He wasn't that fast though...and every time he would have to come in for his hits because of his poor reach...

Ali would've wanted Tyson to come in. Ali has done this before "Ali vs Frazier"...

They're both awesome fuckin boxers...don't get me wrong...but Ali was more agile more fuckin evasive fought other somebodies he was more offensive/defensive defensive/offensive while Tyson remained that pit bull who was given those weak brittle dogs to fight...until of course they pitted him again lenox and got his ass kicked...Tyson was more Aggressive than defensive...

I say Ali hands down would of laid that ass down...

I flow like a butterfly, sting like a bee - Ali

I'll eat your babies- Tyson <---xD!!! LOL!!!!!!!

Click the Poll and leave a reason why for your choice

[drunken jesus]

Well.... Speed Doesn't Always Come With Power.. i Boxed For Quite A Few Years And Know This For Fact... When i Boxed Golden Gloves Used To Be Lotta Kids That Would Just Run Circles Around Me They Were So Quick Though THey Just Fatigued Themselves And Punches Never Hurt Lol.... And in Boxin it Doesnt Come DOwn To Speed Nor Power... it's Heart.. in Their Primes... Tyson Would've Murdered Ali imo.. Tyson Has Never Had Anything To Lose.. ANd i Dont Know if You Know it Or Not But Tyson Was Also Fast Lol.. You Ever See Him Unload His Furious Jabs?.. Tyson Also Hit Harder Than Anyone Ali Ever Boxed... Tyson is Argueably Tha Hardest And Heaviest Hitter To Ever Box.. His Knock Out Punches Equal That Of Barry Bonds Home Run Swing.. Get Caught With That Kinda Power You're Layin No Matter Who Ya Are.. Neither Were Tha Greatest Ever Though... That Would Be Rocky Marciano.. Tyson Would Be Considered Tha Greatest Ever To A Lot Of People if He Never Bit Hollyfields Ear Off And Never Came Out Of Retirement..

i agree with everything except tyson would've taken ali, tyson was pretty slow & sloppy at times he just took fights through brute force and a fast heavyweight like ali would get him on points unless tyson got a lucky punch or two, roy jones jr in his prime would've rocked ali though he had speed and power

[drunken jesus]

landed some but unless he knocked ali out ali would win on points

[Momeijah]

Tyson Wasn't Fast !?

Wtf. i Used To Box Too And Speed Hasn't Got Shit To Do With Power. Power is All Down To HOW u Throw The Punch And How Much Weight u Put Behind it.

Ok 1st Of All i Agree That Ali Would've Taken Him, However ur Missing The Point With Tyson. Tyson WAS Fast (Almost as Fast as Ali) And He DID Have Technical Skill. Look at Tyson's Earlier Fights From 85/86, He Had The Head Movement, The Jabs, The Defense, The Agility And The Power. He Was an Amazing Athlete Then And ONLY Started Deteriorating When His Coach And Father Figure Died. People Say Tyson 'Just Came Out Swinging Like an Ape' Which is WRONG, He Only Started Doing That When D'Amato Died And He Was Angry Going For Quick KO's (Because Let's Face it, He Could).

Tyson Was at The Top During a So-So Time in The Heavyweight Division But He Could've Easily Flourished in Any Era. The Only Good Guy He Faced Was Lennox!? Tyson Was LONG Gone When He Faced Lennox, Same With Holyfield Etc. He Was Never The Same After Coming Out Of Jail, i Think His Own Reputation Got To His Head And He Just Tried Going For The Quick KO. LENNOX Was a SHIT Champ And The Division Was Even More Dead When He Reigned, Lennox Was Nothing. Who'd He Beat? a Past-His-Prime Holyfield? Holyfield Wasn't Shit in The Heavyweight Division He Was Good in The Light Heavyweights Though. Riddick Bowe Handed His Ass To Him in 2 Of Their 3 Fights. Lennox Got Floored By Oliver Fucking McCall And Hasim Rahman And Let's Face it Those Were Two Of His More Seasoned Opponents Compared To Most Of The Bums And Has-Beens He Beat Lmao. 86 Tyson Would've KILLED Lewis Regardless Of Height And Reach Differences, Because Tyson Could Work His Way in And Hammer ur Body And Head Till u Had No Choice But To Fall.

So ur Assumptions Are Wrong i Suggest u Watch More Tyson Fights Before u Go With The Common Stereotype And Say He Just Swung. ill Give it To u Though That By The Time He Was Champ He Just Swung, as His Coach Died in Early 86. But The Fights He Had Before Then Prove He Had Awesome Technical Skill. Then Of Course Robyn Givens Tried Taking Over His Camp, Don King Used Him Etc And a Guy as Dumb as Tyson Couldn't Deal With That And it Was Even More Downhill From There, Hence All The 'What if's' That Surround His Legacy.

Why Do i Think Would Ali Beat Tyson? Have u Seen Ali vs Sonny Liston 1964, Or Ali vs Cleveland Williams? i Don't Care About The Overhype Etc Ali Was a Master Of The Ring. He Was Far Too Fast And Watch His Fight Against Liston, Even The Most Quick And Sudden Punches From Liston Hit The Air Because Ali's Head And Body Reflexes Were So Refined. Ali Was Great On The Offensive Aswell, He Mostly Bobbed, Weaved, Jabbed And Wore His Opponent Down. But His Combos Were Deadly in That They Were Too Rapid To Really Be Stopped. Prime Tyson Would've Worked His Way in Towards Ali With One Hell Of a Struggle, And Even After Getting Close Ali Would Still Be Able To Dodge And Wear Him Down (imo Anyway). Tyson Wasn't No iron-Jaw Either So IF The Fight Went The Distance, He'd Be Tired And Far Too Much Of an Easy Target To Score Points From. Sure He Had The Power But What's Power if ur Hitting The Air 90% Of The Time? Ali Could Take a Beating, And Tyson Would Stand a Chance if He Caught Him And Started Working Away. But Look at The Stats, Ali Had Much More Stamina And Durability, Who's Gnna Burn Out 1st?

Boxing Matches Are Unpredictable Though And Momentum Could Swing The Opposite Way With One Killer Punch, if Tyson Landed That Punch Then He'd Deffo Have a Chance. So This Debate Will Continue To Rage On For Years To Come.

[Momeijah]

Also Best Fighters Ever (in No Order) imo: Ray Robinson, Ali, Louis, Marciano, Johnson And Dempsey.

[Momeijah]

Lmao @ How Much i Typed.

i am Now High For The 1st Time in Days, Thus That Was a Good Bowl.

[Yomommaspimp]

With speed does come power wtf are you talking about? Yeah i know the mechanics behind a punch. I use to box too. lol Fuck no Jones would've never rocked Ali period it would've been a good fight but ali would of won hands down... I've seen tyson's fights ok yes, he's decently fast for a bigger short dude...Ali was tall lean and way fuckin faster than tyson was. His Reflex was incredible. Bigger guys like "Tyson" Would've been worn the fuck out by taller leaner guys Like "Ali" Ali has knocked out boxers "The phantom punch" may 25th 1965 sonny liston ring a bell? Ali had the power, the speed, the reflex he had it all. Tyson reach isn't shit compared to ALi's Reach period. look what ali did to frazier! Ali wouldve toyed with tyson and lured him in like he did frazier and proceed to work his ass. Tyson was always bull rushing like an idiot. You can't do that with experienced boxers like ali. Tyson fought against chumps you can't deny that. Who the fuck has tyson boxed that was big league like lenox? i mean seriously?

ALi vs marciano...now that would of been a good fight. Supposedly they have boxed...but who knows...

[Yomommaspimp]

movement=speed=power so yes speed does have a lot to do with power.

[Momeijah]

With speed does come power wtf are you talking about? Yeah i know the mechanics behind a punch. I use to box too.

With Speed Comes Momentum, Speed Does Not Equal Hard in All Cases. Since u Used To Box You'll Know That Fast Punches Don't Necessarily Mean They're Hard.

I've seen tyson's fights ok yes, he's decently fast for a bigger short dude...Ali was tall lean and way fuckin faster than tyson was. His Reflex was incredible. Bigger guys like "Tyson" Would've been worn the fuck out by taller leaner guys Like "Ali" Ali has knocked out boxers "The phantom punch" may 25th 1965 sonny liston ring a bell? Ali had the power, the speed, the reflex he had it all.

Decently Fast? im Not Saying Ali Wasn't Faster Than Tyson But He Wasn't Way Faster Than Tyson, Once Again This is Not an Opinion Unless They Sped Up ONLY Tyson's Movement in His Earlier Fights And Got Everyone Attending To Lie. The Fact is Tyson Was One Of THE Fastest Heavyweights in History.

im Not Saying Ali Never Had Power Either, And The Phantom Punch Wasn't His Only Early KO So Once Again it's a Fact.

look what ali did to frazier! Ali wouldve toyed with tyson and lured him in like he did frazier and proceed to work his ass.

What, Get Knocked Down And Lose To Him? Or Barely Win And Later Claim That it Was The Closest He'd Ever Come To Dying? Ali Never ONCE Toyed With Frazier, He Had To Bring His Best Game Everytime He Faced Frazier, Whether He Won Or Not. His in Ring Psychology Did Play a Much Bigger Part in His Later Career Though.

Tyson was always bull rushing like an idiot. You can't do that with experienced boxers like ali. Tyson fought against chumps you can't deny that. Who the fuck has tyson boxed that was big league like lenox? i mean seriously?

Since We Are Talking About Prime Tyson vs Prime Ali, Tyson Wouldn't 'Bullrush' Anyone. Once Again Check Him in His Prime, He Was Strategic And Only threw Big Hits And Combos When He Had His Opponent in The Right Place, Which Was Usually Early. He Was Very Offensive But Didn't Start Throwing Haymakers And Missing a Lot Till The Descent Begun (Which Was ironically Before He Won His 1st Title).

Lennox Wasn't Big League Lmao He Was a Medium Sized Fish in an Empty Pond. im Not Saying Tyson's Era Was Golden But Lennox's Was The Worst in Heavyweight History, Once Again What Noteworthy Opponents Did He Beat? The Only 'Noteworthy' Ones Were Only Seen as Contenders Because There Were No Decent Boxers Around at The Time So The Shit Ones Got a Big Break.

And Don't Even Use Tyson vs Lennox as an Example, 15 Years Past His Prime And Fighting Half as Regularly as His Opponent (Who Was at His Peak), Are u Shitting Me?

[Yomommaspimp]

Tyson...analyzing his career all the guys he beat were bums when he actually stepped into the ring with true boxers he got his ass kicked fact ! he can not be considered the best of all time like many say to consider someone as one of the greatest you have to analyze his record and the quality of opponents he faced. anyone can tell me which great boxer Mike Tyson beat? ( only Larry holmes when he was 80 years old) I will be waiting...Ali would of mopped the floor with tyson

[Yomommaspimp]

If the speed of the punch doesn't hurt then your doing something wrong..Speed is a MAJOR part of the power you just can't throw a punch at 1mph and expect to hurt =| seriously. Force equals mass times acceleration, which means that speed is a key component in striking with power. If you want to strike hard, you must also be able to strike fast. Period. If you were a boxer you would know that.

[Haz]

Joe Frazier Hit Harder Then Tyson ..
N Ali Fruuucked him Up ..
Foreman Was a Hard Hitter 2 ...
Holyfield Was Nice .. ( Seen Some1 Say Tyson Aint Box No One Worth Talkin About )
Ali Would Knock Tyson Out..
Tyson Kind Of Go's All Out N With In Time Would Get Tired Out By Ali..
Speed Doesnt Come With Power Either..
That's Bullshit..

[Yomommaspimp]

your right "speed doesn't come with power", (power does not come from speed <---You probably meant that....

Power doesn't come from speed...than you obviously don't understand the mechanics behind the punch and probably don't hit hard at all...Speed is a very important part to the mechanics of punching...Like i said if you do the mechanics right and punch me at 1 mph and it won't do shit...please go fight someone and punch him at 1 mph and tell me speed isn't part of power lol than when he hits your ass with a fast one tell me the difference of your incredibly slow punch since speed isn't behind power...then proceed to tell me the power behind his...since he obviously threw his punch faster...come back to this forum after they pick you up off the ground dude lol...

come now "Speed has nothing to do with power"...that's just stupid to even say...

Stand in front of a punching bag hit it with no speed...Then punch it with speed...explain to me the difference between your "Speed doesn't equal power" to my "Speed does equal power". I can't believe everyone is saying this...and some of you boxed...sure as hell your coaches did not say that...and if they did they're fuckin idiots and shouldn't be teaching the art of boxing...

[Momeijah]

If the speed of the punch doesn't hurt then your doing something wrong..Speed is a MAJOR part of the power you just can't throw a punch at 1mph and expect to hurt =| seriously. Force equals mass times acceleration, which means that speed is a key component in striking with power. If you want to strike hard, you must also be able to strike fast. Period. If you were a boxer you would know that.

if u Were a Boxer You'd Know That u Could Throw a Fast Soft Punch. But i See ur Arguing About How Every Hard Punch is Fast, Whereas im Saying Not EVERY Fast Punch is Hard.

Lennox Lewis Was Not a True Boxer, Tyson Beat a Bunch Of Bums But They Were Still Better Than The Bums Lewis Beat Lmao.

[Yomommaspimp]

Of course! I agree not every fast punch is hard That's not boxer error that's due to the fact the opponent is moving away from the punch. Man I dunno about that tyson bum comment. TYson did fight a bunch of bums. Hahaha Im pretty sure lenox's bums would kick tyson's ass lol hahahaha